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Scott Jones's avatar

I appreciate the recap and chronology and sources. This prompts a quick story while on my mission in 1978. I was asked by a University in Copenhagen if I would take part in a Theology class and teach three class sessions on comparative Christian Religions with a focus on Churches organized in America in the last couple centuries including Mormonism. I immediately accepted. There were about 100 students ... all studying to become Pastors in the State run Lutheran Church. In Denmark, you are born into the Church. I did a quick questionnaire and was surprised to find that nearly half of the students did not believe in God. It was explained to me by several students that being a Pastor is one of the higher paying social services jobs. You are well compensated plus you get to help people. After the first two sessions, the University called the mission office and left me a message that they wanted me to be aware that a particular Pastor was planning on coming to my final class presentation.. She was the one of the very first women Pastors in the Church with high visibility in the media, very outspoken, and quite brash. I had watched her on TV several times and was very impressed with her. My Mission President saw the message on my desk and gave it to me. He told me he would be coming to the class. I told him that was not necessary. He said if she was going to be there that he needed to be there. The entire session ended up focusing on her questions about Mormonism. And when I say questions, it started as a friendly interrogation with a lot of doctrine (some similar, some not to the Lutheran Church) and then turned into something much more confrontational when she started talking about the seer stone, the treasure hunting, the different accounts of the first vision, the papyri Joseph translated, the lack of archeological evidence of the B of M, polygamy, and the Priesthood Ban. I was actually very impressed that she knew so much. I planned to use that thought in how I would proceed. She did something quite clever. I remember her asking me what I personally believed about the Book of Mormon's translation and the Church's restrictions on Negroes? Not what the Church taught. I told her that I prayed that the restrictions would be lifted, and I agreed with her that Joseph had used a seer stone. My Mission President cut me off and bore his that none of what she had said was true. It got contentious, exactly what I wanted to avoid and what she hoped for in rallying the students to care. My intent was to give them enough information to spark possible interest in learning more and leave a good impression of Mormonism in their future ecclesiastical roles. In attacking their respected Pastor, my Mission President left a very negative impression. And the drive back to the Mission Office was not pleasant. He told me that I had obviously been reading way too much anti-mormon literature. It was of Satan, and he said I needed to repent. He was particularly upset about the seer stone. He kept asking me, "How could you agree with her?" He simply didn't want to know the truth about the seer stone. He even said if I wasn't his Personal Secretary in the Mission, he just might want to send me packing. A couple of days later, he brought me a quote from Joseph Fielding Smith where he said there is no authentic statement in the history of the Church that the use of such a stone was made in that translation. Side note: This Pastor reached out to me in the Office the following month. She invited me to attend a sermon she was giving the following Sunday. She told me that I would find it interesting. I grabbed another missionary in the office and we went to hear her speak. Topic... the importance getting a personal relationship with God. And not relying on others for what you believe. We spoke after the service, she was happy that I had come. She wanted to thank me for teaching the sessions and asked if I had patched things up with my Mission Leader. She then encouraged me to always rely on and react to my own personal beliefs.

Kyle's avatar

I commented on a YouTube video of yours recently that I think applies here too: Joseph Smith seemed to surgically skirt the law against using visionary means to find treasure while also trying and legitimize his past actions/methods. Doubling down as it were, but legally.

Joseph had visions of golden treasures, but they weren't too be sold. Instead they had a story on them of great worth! Religious importance! His investors were not investing in him having visions to lead them to treasure. They were investing in his visionary translation of the story the treasure contained! And the translation could be turned into a book, which could be sold.

And how did he string along his investors/benefactors for so long? The same way he did before! "Well the angel said I wasn't ready, I didn't have a box to carry them so I put them in a log, no one can see them unless God makes it "manifest" to them, the angel took them back!" Excuse after excuse after excuse. The pattern of behavior was there in his conviction. It's a modified story, adapted to overcome legal risk.

Was it only greed? Probably not, I'm sure he was deeply religious. And deeply religious people are also capable of committing fraud. They are also well equipped to convince themselves that they're doing God's work while doing it.

While Joseph may have been charismatic and an impressive storyteller there are plenty of examples of less impressive people conning huge numbers of people. If anything, I think we need to lower our expectations of the people who first followed Joseph. They were credulous, easily duped people. We've got a survivorship bias: those who were impressed and convinced had a strong desire to tell everyone how true it was, while those who didn't probably didn't care except for a small few. Kind of like how MLMs have millions of adherents while there's just a few journalists who expose their lies.

So I'm summation, you've got a pattern of behavior Joseph engaged in, retooled to overcome legal accountability, that was constantly reiterated into a more and more resonant and convincing prophetic calling.

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