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Patty's avatar

Spot on and well done! Wonderful to have a great summary of the events instead of people having to look everywhere for this information. When the video was released with Russell M Nelson demonstrating with the seer stone in a hat method for translating the Book of Mormon. I was shocked! If this had been explained to me by the missionaries that taught me in 1980. I would have NEVER joined. I was disowned by my family at the age of 18 and lost my jobs. I asked my true believing husband what he thought about the hat in the stone and he thought nothing of it. No big deal to him. He was raised in the church. I was always taught the BOM was translated by stones from the Urim and Thumin. I am sure I’m not the only one that feels betrayed. And the fact that they still omit this when teaching is disturbing.

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I appreciate the recap and chronology and sources. This prompts a quick story while on my mission in 1978. I was asked by a University in Copenhagen if I would take part in a Theology class and teach three class sessions on comparative Christian Religions with a focus on Churches organized in America in the last couple centuries including Mormonism. I immediately accepted. There were about 100 students ... all studying to become Pastors in the State run Lutheran Church. In Denmark, you are born into the Church. I did a quick questionnaire and was surprised to find that nearly half of the students did not believe in God. It was explained to me by several students that being a Pastor is one of the higher paying social services jobs. You are well compensated plus you get to help people. After the first two sessions, the University called the mission office and left me a message that they wanted me to be aware that a particular Pastor was planning on coming to my final class presentation.. She was the one of the very first women Pastors in the Church with high visibility in the media, very outspoken, and quite brash. I had watched her on TV several times and was very impressed with her. My Mission President saw the message on my desk and gave it to me. He told me he would be coming to the class. I told him that was not necessary. He said if she was going to be there that he needed to be there. The entire session ended up focusing on her questions about Mormonism. And when I say questions, it started as a friendly interrogation with a lot of doctrine (some similar, some not to the Lutheran Church) and then turned into something much more confrontational when she started talking about the seer stone, the treasure hunting, the different accounts of the first vision, the papyri Joseph translated, the lack of archeological evidence of the B of M, polygamy, and the Priesthood Ban. I was actually very impressed that she knew so much. I planned to use that thought in how I would proceed. She did something quite clever. I remember her asking me what I personally believed about the Book of Mormon's translation and the Church's restrictions on Negroes? Not what the Church taught. I told her that I prayed that the restrictions would be lifted, and I agreed with her that Joseph had used a seer stone. My Mission President cut me off and bore his that none of what she had said was true. It got contentious, exactly what I wanted to avoid and what she hoped for in rallying the students to care. My intent was to give them enough information to spark possible interest in learning more and leave a good impression of Mormonism in their future ecclesiastical roles. In attacking their respected Pastor, my Mission President left a very negative impression. And the drive back to the Mission Office was not pleasant. He told me that I had obviously been reading way too much anti-mormon literature. It was of Satan, and he said I needed to repent. He was particularly upset about the seer stone. He kept asking me, "How could you agree with her?" He simply didn't want to know the truth about the seer stone. He even said if I wasn't his Personal Secretary in the Mission, he just might want to send me packing. A couple of days later, he brought me a quote from Joseph Fielding Smith where he said there is no authentic statement in the history of the Church that the use of such a stone was made in that translation. Side note: This Pastor reached out to me in the Office the following month. She invited me to attend a sermon she was giving the following Sunday. She told me that I would find it interesting. I grabbed another missionary in the office and we went to hear her speak. Topic... the importance getting a personal relationship with God. And not relying on others for what you believe. We spoke after the service, she was happy that I had come. She wanted to thank me for teaching the sessions and asked if I had patched things up with my Mission Leader. She then encouraged me to always rely on and react to my own personal beliefs.

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